Doomsday Engine

Latest unstable build 1256.

I used HeXen's Seven Portals hub map as a test, yes.

I sent you a save game to test this with a month or so ago, but here is another :)

But here is another.

A saved game is no good to me until we've decided this issue is related. As I said I cannot replicate any issue with the Chaos Serpent specifically, irrespective of whether one loads a saved game or not.

What we need to do is to determine whether this issue occurs on other maps and if so what they have in common.

Please note that in my initial report above, that I said Seven Portals (the main hub or Map02 to use it's ID) and Chaos Serpent thing 56 (a specific mobj on that map, rather than a mobj type) :)

I used him as an example of a bad guy that always appears to be affected by one of the three possible issues mentioned in my original report.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification; your original report now makes a lot more sense to me. I've a couple of working theories so lets see what I can turn up in the debugger...

I'm perhaps being a bit presumptuous here, but I'm just going to remind of this report due to:

"bad guys are incorrectly loosing their alerted status when the player returns to the map (i.e they aren't staying woken up). This one I can confirm."

I believe this is an important gameplay issue that may accidently be buried by the perhaps lesser seemingly map specific (i.e because it seems map specific) issue also included in this report.

You have reminded me, that I meant to update this report; I've noticed occasions on Herisarch's seminary where where monsters weren't seeing the player when there was/is a polyobj between them and the player.

vermil wrote:

when there was/is a polyobj between them and the player

This sounds like something that definitely needs investigating.

skyjake wrote:

I attached a save from Shadow Wood, after the puzzle has been completed. Is it correct behavior that the monsters in the final room face the wrong way and don't wake up easily?

Vermil informed me via ICQ that he tested vanilla and it behaved in the same way.

danij wrote:

Vermil informed me via ICQ that he tested vanilla and it behaved in the same way.

Question then is, how many of the other waking up problems fall under the same "vanilla bugs" category?

Indeed. This is why I've found it tricky to resolve this issue because all the evidence seems to suggest there is either a) not a single underlying cause, or b) vanilla behavior is at least partially dependent on some broken logic and/or map geometry.

Solving this particular issue is likely going to be quite time consuming.

I'm going to duplicate the HeXen 'bad guys are incorrectly loosing their alerted status when the player returns to the map (i.e they aren't staying woken up' issue in a new report as given the way this discussion has progressed, I fear it risks being buried.